but this is not the sandbox PvP experience that this game prides itself in. The whole idea is that you should be able to make your own game. not just follow a prescribed tutorial.

It is in fact a sandpox PvP experience, but it should not be the only one, and the same way a mission bear can bear by himself for hours on end and make a profit, there should be options for a solo PvPer to find his own way to make ends meet.

Also I'm more referring to the business of stealing loot from PvEers, as a soloable mini-PvP-profession that is highly accessible to new players, and keeps the PvEers from being 100% bubblewrapped (because 100% safety will eventually = 0% PvP opportunity).

PvEers seem to be under the impression that I'm the one inhibiting new players from joining the game. What they do not realize is their bounty system, combined with crying for nerfs to suspects, only end up removing a new PvPers options for making isk.

The MAIN CHANGE I am asking for is the removal of the bounty system. BUT NOT COMPLETELY FKING THE CAREBEARS. Instead they need to replace bounties with more salvage/loot and LP.

The REASONS for this are

A) Bounties inject isk into the economy (IE you do not trade a good for someone elses isk, you simply create isk out of thin air) and make ships and plex more expensive, thus raising the bar of entry for new pilots looking for a risky profession, and bottlenecking everyone i.

B) There will be more salvage for up-and-coming pirates to take advantage of

Of course they will say this, as it would be an extreme conflict of interest if they were to say otherwise. More isk in the market is good TO A DEGREE, but too much isk raises prices of ships and plex (thus more people are buying plex with real money [thus conflict of interest])

But isk has to be injected for the amount of high income players to increase. If isk is merely changing hands the amount of high income players remains constant, as does the value of the isk itself, and subsequently the things you purchase with said isk.

You still fail to realize that the actual amount of high income players (as a % of the population) cannot increase if the amount of pure isk in the economy stays constant in reguard to the amount of players.

If the amount of isk stays constant relative to the amount of players in the game, then one only becomes rich by somehow procuring the riches of others (thus making the "others" less rich and keeping the amount of rich players constant).

This is quite simply not the case as there is already FAR MORE isk injection then there needs to be, and if there needed to be more I'm SUURE CCP would be ENTIRELY willing to inject it.

I want the bounty system removed, but isk still needs to be injected, though relative to the amount of new players and not just at random to give farmers more incentive to play (because more isk means higher prices that they too have to pay thus there's no real increase in incentive, only a decrease in incentive for new players).

The fact that you can basically never die in any part of a sandbox game is just wrong.

Trying to avoid dying or trying to avoid the "sandbox"?

So, someone actively and competently trying to inflict it means nothing, then?

That's the problem. Competent defense > competent offense. Every time. There are no little tricks I can use to beat you (or even tackle you) if you know what D-scan is, and don't fit and fly your ship like you're mentally handicapped.

The fact that only competent offense > incompetent defense is another aspect of this problem.

Highsec is too safe. It promotes stupid gameplay because you can be doing it wrong and still be alive.

I may be misinterpreting the discussion here but I don't think anyone goes out with the intention of dying. I think we also need to change dying to explode since we're all immortal. \o/

I think what Kaarous is trying to say is that some people are just terrible at fitting their ships appropriately.

I'm not saying it needs to be reversed.

I'm saying it needs to be balanced. It's not balanced right now.

There are plenty of things that need fixed, is what you're trying to say.

What I'm trying to say is that this is one of them.

The need for, and usefulness of D-scan doesn't go away just because it's "boring". As far as highsec is concerned, the only problem with D-scan is that it requires you to pay any attention at all, the amount is not relevant.

If it can't be done while afk "highsec" at large doesn't want anything to do with it.

Their attitudes are a result of the cradle of safety they've been swaddled in for too long. That needs fixed, then we can actually have an honest discussion about it among the players. Instead of a derailing contest between one group of players, and one group of self interested afk robots.

Because you can't convince people to play the game correctly if the option to play it wrong and still win exists.

I'll have a longer reply for the rest of your post later, but I just wanted to address this before I get on the road.

It's not "push button, have safety". It's "push button, have to make a determination and a decision".

That's why it's not used by most people in highsec. Because they want some binary guarantee of safety.

If D-scan were something passive, for example, that told you when a warp in on your grid happened, it would give more safety to people who didn't do it correctly, in exchange for nothing on their part. No effort, more safety.

That is bad.

D-scan also has tons of meta uses by using it to hunt people, etc, also. It's a complex tool, and it can't just be replaced by something passive without negatively effecting quite a bit of the game.

If it were passive and part of a more dynamic system I would bet money on increased usage and awareness.

I will agree, Tyberius, that the D-Scan is the most valuable tool that has the worst interface. Speaking as the Devil's Advocate, since I reside full-time in HighSec but am trying to understand the "opposition" in these matters, they use it constantly in Low and Null and WH. Why should we not use it High?

if no'1 in the OP becomes a reality, this will be half solved.

This is part of the argument.

Highsec almost is 100% safe. The only reason people die at all is from doing stupid things and actively failing to take care of themselves.

i dnt get what u mean...

that mission runners are vulnerable when out numbered? if it is that, then: No ****.

if u dnt like PvP, one has got to ask: why are u playing eve?

Personally, because so much else appeals to me:

Spaceships
Fitting spaceships
Flying spaceships
Buying new spaceships
Flying those new spaceships
Changing fittings on those spaceships as changes are made
Flying those spaceships again
Visual appeal of certain spaceships
Visual appeal of the game in general
Passive skill training
Skill system appeals to me more than the character level system
Not restricted to any sort of "class" with a particular character
Never not able to trade/sell something because "soulbound"
Never not able to play with others I know who play the game because of different servers